Question? can i learn specifically what each pitch really is?

[Phistar]

i'm still a newbie to baseball as some of you may know...

i practically know everything about hitting and fielding, but the only thing i'm still lost at is PITCHING

i'm trying so hard to learn specifically the types of pitches there are in the mlb

like what's the speed/velocity range, the angle of the ball coming towards the hitter, hand positioning of the ball & ect...

i hope the way i'm writing this out is easy to understand cause i don't know how else to put it...

can't wait to know what a curve ball, a slider, 4 seam/2 seam fastball, cutter & all those other kinds of pitches

[DLow28]

cool links you can check out for basic info of the pitches in baseball (past and present):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Baseball_pitches

http://www.thecompletepitcher.com/pitching_grips.htm

I'll get more when I get up in the morning, these are just good ones that I knew of right off the top of my head!

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Phistar

i practically know everything about hitting and fielding, but the only thing i'm still lost at is PITCHING

if that's true, you should walk your ass up to pat gillick tomorrow and ask for a job, because i don't think there's a person alive that knows every intrinsic detail about each skill, but i get what you mean :p

what specifically do you want to know about pitching? i could tell you a little something about every pitch and every variability within each pitch and it would take about 3000 pages on this website to do so. if you have something specific i'm sure i could help you out.

only pitching though, i don't know a damn thing about batting or fielding (i sucked at both).

[Crono139]

Looks like Phi needs help in MLB '08.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by DLow28

http://www.thecompletepitcher.com/pitching_grips.htm

that's not how you throw a circle change and you'd have to have the world's biggest hands to throw a split-finger like that. ellis's site is a good introduction though. forget about the wiki

[Phistar]

bwaaahahaha! hush it justin!

[Phistar]

but like what's a slider? or a curve ball? or a changeup? :hammer:

crap like that... you can take 3000 pages, i'd love it read it fo sho!

[Jerome]

well i understand that, but i mean there'a a lot of gray area between pitches. for instance, one pitchers slider is much different than another's due to variability between finger pressure, there's knuckle curves and 12-6 curves and 11-5 curves and slurves, etc. we can cover all of them as i love to talk about this stuff, but give me somewhere to start.

[Phistar]

ummm speed range for each pitch?

like fastballs should be like... what? 85-100mph?

sliders should be in the range of 70-85mph?

[Jerome]

well you have a few varieties of fastballs. you have four-seamers, two-seamers, split-finger fastballs, cut fastballs, etc. in major league baseball, the four-seam fastball is a common staple in most pitchers arsenal. nobody in baseball throws 100 mph, but the range for 4-seamers is generally in the mid to late 80's to the high 90's. two-seamers have a tail to them, and are generally throw with less velocity due to their movement. tim lincecum throws one generally in lieu of his 4-seamer, and can bring it up to about 93. generally however, these are thrown in the mid-80's to late 80's. mark mulder is an example of a pitcher who lives on the cut fastball, which has a bit of late bite to it and is thrown in the mid-80's (mariano rivera is an exception, as nobody else's comes close and is thrown in the high 80's to about the low 90's). the split-finger fastball dives as it reaches home plate (i threw this pitch exclusively rather than any of the other fastballs). mine would generally range from 82-84, but in the major leagues typically is thrown up to about 86 mph. john smoltz's splitter was the best in baseball for a while (and some would argue still is).

[Jerome]

sliders are thrown similarly to a fastball, but with a slightly different (and off-center grip). nobody is going to throw a 70 mph slider in the big leagues because it'll hang for days as the break is dependent on the velocity of the pitch. arm angles and finger pressure come into play, as that's the difference between a mediocre slider and one like randy johnson's or francisco rodriguez's. these generally are thrown much faster than the other popular breaking balls, and the angle in which they break varies among pitchers (due to the factors i stated above). the velocity varies widely, but these are generally thrown above 80 mph (the ones that actually break anyway), usually about 8-13 mph slower than the respective pitchers fastball.

[Phistar]

Originally Posted by Jerome

well you have a few varieties of fastballs. you have four-seamers, two-seamers, split-finger fastballs, cut fastballs, etc. in major league baseball, the four-seam fastball is a common staple in most pitchers arsenal. nobody in baseball throws 100 mph, but the range for 4-seamers is generally in the mid to late 80's to the high 90's. two-seamers have a tail to them, and are generally throw with less velocity due to their movement. tim lincecum throws one generally in lieu of his 4-seamer, and can bring it up to about 93. generally however, these are thrown in the mid-80's to late 80's. mark mulder is an example of a pitcher who lives on the cut fastball, which has a bit of late bite to it and is thrown in the mid-80's (mariano rivera is an exception, as nobody else's comes close and is thrown in the high 80's to about the low 90's). the split-finger fastball dives as it reaches home plate (i threw this pitch exclusively rather than any of the other fastballs). mine would generally range from 82-84, but in the major leagues typically is thrown up to about 86 mph. john smoltz's splitter was the best in baseball for a while (and some would argue still is).

Originally Posted by Jerome

sliders are thrown similarly to a fastball, but with a slightly different (and off-center grip). nobody is going to throw a 70 mph slider in the big leagues because it'll hang for days as the break is dependent on the velocity of the pitch. arm angles and finger pressure come into play, as that's the difference between a mediocre slider and one like randy johnson's or francisco rodriguez's. these generally are thrown much faster than the other popular breaking balls, and the angle in which they break varies among pitchers (due to the factors i stated above). the velocity varies widely, but these are generally thrown above 80 mph (the ones that actually break anyway), usually about 8-13 mph slower than the respective pitchers fastball.

that's what i'm talking about... i like reading ish like this