Right now - Payton Manning or Tom Brady - Page 2 - The Postgame Pub

**nyG** · 06-06-2008, 01:39 PM

Peyton. He's the real offensive coordinator of that team. He takes the entire play clock to adjust his protections and hot routes and is the coach on the field. Both have had the luxury of talented offensive lines. Peyton lost Tarik Glenn to retirement and Marvin Harrison for several games and still had a good season last year. Brady was shook during the Super Bowl and showed his lack of mobility when his protection breaks down. I'm not knocking Brady, he shows great poise in the pocket, but only when his line picks up every blitz.

Darius Ali · 06-06-2008, 02:18 PM

Thats the same with every QB though. If the line doesn't pick up the blitz what are you going to do? I can't count how many times Peyton just falls down when the blitz is coming instead of trying to do something. Brady will stand there and take the hit. Niether QB is a great runner so they are not going to scramble like Vick but I think Brady's poise is better then Mannings in those type of situations. And I seriously don't think Brady was SHOOK during the superbowl. He was getting rocked all game but still managed to not panic and lead them down with the TD pass to Moss to take the lead. He had no choice in the end but to bomb it to Randy Moss but they were good throws. Im not taking anything away from the Giants, they played great defense and they are the champions. But lets not forget, they are one Eli Manning scramble and one fluke catch from Tyree away from losing.

**cruzg24** · 06-06-2008, 02:39 PM

The david tyree catch was on 3rd down so they had one more down after that... The crucial play of the game in my opinion is the missed interception by Asante Samuel, if he catches that instead of worrying to stay in bounds the patriots win.

**nyG** · 06-06-2008, 02:43 PM

One thing I notice about Peyton is his "happy feet" when he's in the pocket. Brady tends to stand in, make his reads, then step up and make the throw.

As for the Super Bowl, I wouldn't really put it that way, as much as you can say the Giants would've lost without a "fluke" play, you could say they were a 4th and 1 away from losing the game. You could say that the Pats were a 49-yard field goal away from a tie game if not for Belichick going for it on 4th and 13. You just can't do that with football, anything is possible. As for Brady not being shook, I have to go ahead and say he was rattled from the 20-something hits he took. Watching the game in the 2nd half when it zoomed in on Brady pre-snap, I thought saw something in his eyes that told me he was losing confidence in his line to protect him. I can recall one of my boys remarking that he just didn't look the same. I can't find any pre-snap pics right now, but here's one that kind of shows what i mean by "shook"

Darius Ali · 06-06-2008, 02:59 PM

Im still not buying Brady was "shook"

The o-line may have been but he appeared calm and cool just like always. Which is how that last TD to Moss was setup.

Jerome · 06-06-2008, 05:14 PM

michael bishop

**cruzg24** · 06-06-2008, 05:59 PM

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The o-line may have been but he appeared calm and cool just like always. Which is how that last TD to Moss was setup.

Yea I just think Tom just got hit hard, but his composure never faltered. What did piss me off about that game is when Belichick left the field before the game was over. What a sore loser......

**P J Shaker** · 06-06-2008, 07:27 PM

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Yea I just think Tom just got hit hard, but his composure never faltered. What did piss me off about that game is when Belichick left the field before the game was over. What a sore loser......

Belichick is a sore winner too....he is never happy unless he wins a super bowl....the guy is grouchy and rude...

**cruzg24** · 06-06-2008, 09:03 PM

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Belichick is a sore winner too....he is never happy unless he wins a super bowl....the guy is grouchy and rude...

You've got that right. He like sprinted to Tom right after the game, lol. He wanted to be the 1st one out of the stadium I guess.

Darius Ali · 06-07-2008, 02:19 AM

Man I LOVE Bill. He is the ultimate competitor. He wants nothing but winning. This is proffessional sports. There is no mercy at this level.

jstchilln120 · 06-07-2008, 02:43 AM

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michael bishop

The guy from Kansas State?

Jerome · 06-07-2008, 03:07 AM

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The guy from Kansas State?

hell yea!! cfl baby!

**nyG** · 06-07-2008, 09:03 AM

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Man I LOVE Bill. He is the ultimate competitor. He wants nothing but winning.

By any means necessary I guess. I mean when you're getting paid millions, the league maximum fine of $500,000 is risking pennies, no?

jstchilln120 · 06-07-2008, 12:04 PM

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hell yea!! cfl baby!

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06-06-2008, 01:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
nyG In Tuck We Trust #91 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: nY Posts: 1,596 vCash: 12895 Donate Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 33	Re: Right now - Payton Manning or Tom Brady Peyton. He's the real offensive coordinator of that team. He takes the entire play clock to adjust his protections and hot routes and is the coach on the field. Both have had the luxury of talented offensive lines. Peyton lost Tarik Glenn to retirement and Marvin Harrison for several games and still had a good season last year. Brady was shook during the Super Bowl and showed his lack of mobility when his protection breaks down. I'm not knocking Brady, he shows great poise in the pocket, but only when his line picks up every blitz.

06-06-2008, 02:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
Darius Ali PGP HoFer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming Posts: 2,616 vCash: 29888 Donate My Blog: BallAboveAll-Basketball news and analysis PSN Gamertag: DariusJustinAli Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 56 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Right now - Payton Manning or Tom Brady Thats the same with every QB though. If the line doesn't pick up the blitz what are you going to do? I can't count how many times Peyton just falls down when the blitz is coming instead of trying to do something. Brady will stand there and take the hit. Niether QB is a great runner so they are not going to scramble like Vick but I think Brady's poise is better then Mannings in those type of situations. And I seriously don't think Brady was SHOOK during the superbowl. He was getting rocked all game but still managed to not panic and lead them down with the TD pass to Moss to take the lead. He had no choice in the end but to bomb it to Randy Moss but they were good throws. Im not taking anything away from the Giants, they played great defense and they are the champions. But lets not forget, they are one Eli Manning scramble and one fluke catch from Tyree away from losing. __________________ "Just Win Baby"

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cruzg24 PGP Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,674 vCash: 32282 Donate My Blog: Frontpage Stardom PSN Gamertag: cruztoro24 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 58 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Right now - Payton Manning or Tom Brady The david tyree catch was on 3rd down so they had one more down after that... The crucial play of the game in my opinion is the missed interception by Asante Samuel, if he catches that instead of worrying to stay in bounds the patriots win. __________________

06-06-2008, 02:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
nyG In Tuck We Trust #91 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: nY Posts: 1,596 vCash: 12895 Donate Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 33	Re: Right now - Payton Manning or Tom Brady One thing I notice about Peyton is his "happy feet" when he's in the pocket. Brady tends to stand in, make his reads, then step up and make the throw. As for the Super Bowl, I wouldn't really put it that way, as much as you can say the Giants would've lost without a "fluke" play, you could say they were a 4th and 1 away from losing the game. You could say that the Pats were a 49-yard field goal away from a tie game if not for Belichick going for it on 4th and 13. You just can't do that with football, anything is possible. As for Brady not being shook, I have to go ahead and say he was rattled from the 20-something hits he took. Watching the game in the 2nd half when it zoomed in on Brady pre-snap, I thought saw something in his eyes that told me he was losing confidence in his line to protect him. I can recall one of my boys remarking that he just didn't look the same. I can't find any pre-snap pics right now, but here's one that kind of shows what i mean by "shook"

06-06-2008, 02:59 PM	#20 (permalink)
Darius Ali PGP HoFer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming Posts: 2,616 vCash: 29888 Donate My Blog: BallAboveAll-Basketball news and analysis PSN Gamertag: DariusJustinAli Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 56 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Right now - Payton Manning or Tom Brady Im still not buying Brady was "shook" The o-line may have been but he appeared calm and cool just like always. Which is how that last TD to Moss was setup. __________________ "Just Win Baby"

06-06-2008, 05:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
Jerome PGP HoFer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 2,000 vCash: 5460 Donate Rep Power: 57 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Right now - Payton Manning or Tom Brady michael bishop

06-07-2008, 02:19 AM	#25 (permalink)
Darius Ali PGP HoFer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming Posts: 2,616 vCash: 29888 Donate My Blog: BallAboveAll-Basketball news and analysis PSN Gamertag: DariusJustinAli Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 56 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Right now - Payton Manning or Tom Brady Man I LOVE Bill. He is the ultimate competitor. He wants nothing but winning. This is proffessional sports. There is no mercy at this level. __________________ "Just Win Baby"