NFL-Offense vs Defense - The Postgame Pub

Darius Ali · 08-22-2008, 07:29 AM

Which is more important?

I'm a firm believer that a great defense will always beat a great offense. That year the Raiders got smashed by the Bucs they had the number one rated offense in the league. Imo you don't need to spend your entire cap on a star QB. Spread the money around and build up a monster defense and get a game manager QB and you can win.

Sweets · 08-22-2008, 10:01 AM

Classic situation for this arguement are the 2001 Ravens...Dilfer was only there to manage the game the defense was there to win it.

**cruzg24** · 08-22-2008, 11:13 AM

Only team that I can recall with an outstanding offense and a poor defense was the St. Louis Rams with Kurt Warner, Faulk, Bruce, and Holt. That was the only exception to the rule. But besides that defense wins championships, proved once again by the Super Bowl Winning New York Giants.

thilianwij · 08-22-2008, 01:43 PM

when i first watched the best offense (oakland) vs best defense (buccaneers) during that one superbowl, i forgot which one... but i remember bucs killed the raiders

so it is really best Defense that everyone needs

Darius Ali · 08-22-2008, 04:11 PM

Ravens are a perfect example Sweets. That D was ungodly. I can't remember any starting WR from that Ravens team. Hell I can't name one stater on Offense outside of my man Dilfer. Same with the Bucs and Brad Johnson. He had ummmm Keshawn Johnson? Nothing great.

**Agent Zero** · 08-22-2008, 05:17 PM

Gotta go with defense. And the Ravens did have some good players on offense. They had Quadry Ismail, Todd Heap (i think), Jamall Lewis, Shannon Shrape.. So they had a talented offense. But defense's do win championships.

Sweets · 08-22-2008, 05:38 PM

And the had ooooooooooofffff, Trent Dilfer!!!

they had Priest Holmes too.

**nyG** · 08-22-2008, 07:11 PM

Heap was not in that bowl, Shannon Sharpe was. The Giants were an offensive juggernaut that year going 12-4 and beating the high-powered Culpepper-Moss Vikings 41-0 in the championship game. The Ravens were just too much for them after that. Amazing Dilfer-Kerry Collins QB battle

**cruzg24** · 08-22-2008, 08:16 PM

Hey dont make fun of Kerry Collins, he was a decent QB for us. That ravens defense was one of the greatest defenses of all-time, not many teams wouldve beat them that year.

**Agent Zero** · 08-22-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cruzg24

Hey dont make fun of Kerry Collins, he was a decent QB for us. That ravens defense was one of the greatest defenses of all-time, not many teams wouldve beat them that year.

I agree.. Not many teams in NFL history would of beat that defense that game. They were in a zone.

**nyG** · 08-22-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cruzg24

Hey dont make fun of Kerry Collins, he was a decent QB for us. That ravens defense was one of the greatest defenses of all-time, not many teams wouldve beat them that year.

Not to take too much away from Kerry, because he did great things getting the franchise back to winning ball games, but he only looked that good because of the long string of awful QBs the Giants had after the Simms-LT retirement year. They just couldn't find an answer in the likes of Dave Brown and Danny Kanell, but Fassell re-energized Kerry's career and provided him with the weapons to surround him and his cannon arm. Giants had Hilliard in his prime and Toomer playing well along with Tiki Barber. Shockey getting drafted was just another weapon for his great arm to make him look good.

Not to mention that in that Super Bowl year our O-Coordinator was Sean Payton and the D-Coordinator was John Fox.

**cruzg24** · 08-22-2008, 08:38 PM

Yea Giants have had a reputation of having great coordinators. Belichick, Payton, Fox, and now start adding Steve Spagnola to that list. lol, I remember Danny Kanell, he was the QB when I became a fan of the Giants.

**P J Shaker** · 08-24-2008, 02:14 PM

Colts Vs Bears...Great offense beat the great defense....i agree that defense does win championships but i thing a truly great offense will beat a great defense

**Agent Zero** · 08-24-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by P J Shaker

Colts Vs Bears...Great offense beat the great defense....i agree that defense does win championships but i thing a truly great offense will beat a great defense

That is one instance man, but if you recall that game the Colts defense was on fire. They beat the hell out of the Bears Offense.

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Sweets WHAAAA No one does their job WHAAA Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 vCash: 0 Donate Rep Power: 0 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: NFL-Offense vs Defense Classic situation for this arguement are the 2001 Ravens...Dilfer was only there to manage the game the defense was there to win it.

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